Comments on: Letter of the Law http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com Instant penalty charges for motorists - is the system fair? Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:59:44 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Shobhit http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1823 Shobhit Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:27:52 +0000 http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1823 Hi Jeten, Thanks for the tips and the encouragement. Will update tomorrow once I have seen the video footage. Thanks Shobhit Hi Jeten,
Thanks for the tips and the encouragement. Will update tomorrow once I have seen the video footage.
Thanks
Shobhit

]]> By: Jiten http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1821 Jiten Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:38:02 +0000 http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1821 Hi shobhit Well I went to view my video footage and it seems to the guy invited me to view the footage commented that “it is too harsh, and it’s not fare” . I did asked him about the new yellow box, and he replied “ sorry I can’t comment on the legality of that yellow box, but you can still appeal again and you might be lucky, you never know”. I told him yes I am going to appeal again and ask for mercy, maybe it will work, don’t know why we have to bent our back end and pay, when it’s clearly seen on the cctv, there are no traffic, you can’t see my number plate as I stopped for 8 seconds and moved after the traffic light went green, then your camera operator takes a picture 15 seconds later when I am not on the yellow box and stopped at the traffic light. Well he said no comment. I have appealed again on a compassionate ground, and see if they can waive this one off. When you view your cctv footage note the time, how long you are in the box, and establish the grounds for appeal, maybe you have not noticed the yellow box and kept on driving until you realised there is a stationary car infront of you,or you stopped because the car infront of you stopped suddenly, also if you are not happy ask him to rewind then see the footage again, and again, and see the footage after you leave the box. As I have noticed that after the yellow box, you are still in a single lane filter from the bus lane, and there is a traffic light, which can cause anyone to be caught on the yellow box easily, as there are no warning sign. You will have 14 days to appeal after you view the cctv. I shall let you know the outcome of my case. Good luck Hi shobhit

Well I went to view my video footage and it seems to the guy invited me to view the footage commented that “it is too harsh, and it’s not fare” .

I did asked him about the new yellow box, and he replied “ sorry I can’t comment on the legality of that yellow box, but you can still appeal again and you might be lucky, you never know”.

I told him yes I am going to appeal again and ask for mercy, maybe it will work, don’t know why we have to bent our back end and pay, when it’s clearly seen on the cctv, there are no traffic, you can’t see my number plate as I stopped for 8 seconds and moved after the traffic light went green, then your camera operator takes a picture 15 seconds later when I am not on the yellow box and stopped at the traffic light.

Well he said no comment. I have appealed again on a compassionate ground, and see if they can waive this one off.

When you view your cctv footage note the time, how long you are in the box, and establish the grounds for appeal, maybe you have not noticed the yellow box and kept on driving until you realised there is a stationary car infront of you,or you stopped because the car infront of you stopped suddenly, also if you are not happy ask him to rewind then see the footage again, and again, and see the footage after you leave the box. As I have noticed that after the yellow box, you are still in a single lane filter from the bus lane, and there is a traffic light, which can cause anyone to be caught on the yellow box easily, as there are no warning sign. You will have 14 days to appeal after you view the cctv. I shall let you know the outcome of my case. Good luck

]]> By: Shobhit Narain http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1819 Shobhit Narain Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:14:51 +0000 http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1819 Hi Jeten, Apologies for a late response. I have checked several websites and all of them seem to say that atleast two edges of a yellow box should meet the kerb. In case of this greenford road yellow box none of the two edges touch the kerb,moreover as Chris mentioned there are no signs for traffic enforcement cameras- though there are signs for speed/bus lane cameras, I think we do have a case to fight for. I have to see my video evidence tomorrow. Is there anything in particular I should be aware of. Rgds, Shobhit Hi Jeten,
Apologies for a late response. I have checked several websites and all of them seem to say that atleast two edges of a yellow box should meet the kerb. In case of this greenford road yellow box none of the two edges touch the kerb,moreover as Chris mentioned there are no signs for traffic enforcement cameras- though there are signs for speed/bus lane cameras, I think we do have a case to fight for. I have to see my video evidence tomorrow. Is there anything in particular I should be aware of.
Rgds,
Shobhit

]]> By: Chris http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1813 Chris Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:54:43 +0000 http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1813 Hi Jiten, I am no expert but it sounds to me like you might have a case in respect of the car that suddenly stopped in front of you. Have a look at the penaltychargenotice.co.uk website they have some senarios being caught in a yellow box junction and judge whether you have a case from their info. Good Luck. Hi Jiten,

I am no expert but it sounds to me like you might have a case in respect of the car that suddenly stopped in front of you. Have a look at the penaltychargenotice.co.uk website they have some senarios being caught in a yellow box junction and judge whether you have a case from their info.
Good Luck.

]]> By: Jiten Govind http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1812 Jiten Govind Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:55:13 +0000 http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1812 Hi Chris, and Shobhit I have also reveived a PCN on 3/9/09 greenford road/ otter road, now this PCN does not show my number plate as I stopped in emergency as the car infront of me stopped suddenly, and i was verly close to the car infront. now what they did is taken my number plate after i left the yellow box 15 seconds later from a different camera, I did appeal to view the cctv and they have given me date for 19/11/09. now i wanted to know if i have a case...i can send you the photos showing the time on two photos..i need to know if i have a case. Hi Chris, and Shobhit

I have also reveived a PCN on 3/9/09 greenford road/ otter road, now this PCN does not show my number plate as I stopped in emergency as the car infront of me stopped suddenly, and i was verly close to the car infront. now what they did is taken my number plate after i left the yellow box 15 seconds later from a different camera, I did appeal to view the cctv and they have given me date for 19/11/09. now i wanted to know if i have a case…i can send you the photos showing the time on two photos..i need to know if i have a case.

]]> By: Shobhit http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1802 Shobhit Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:53:03 +0000 http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1802 Thanks Chris..Will give them same reason. I have asked the council to show mw video evidence. Still waiting for them to come back. Will send a recorded reminder to cover myself incase they say that a post has been sent. Will update on this board of any developments. Thanks Chris..Will give them same reason. I have asked the council to show mw video evidence. Still waiting for them to come back. Will send a recorded reminder to cover myself incase they say that a post has been sent. Will update on this board of any developments.

]]> By: Chris Mills http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1800 Chris Mills Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:30:45 +0000 http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1800 Hi Shobhit, I also contacted penaltychargenotice.co.uk about this junction and at first they sounded positive but later on when i received the rejection i was told to look at the adjudicators decisions or anything about the rules under the road markings and signs regulations to see if I had a case. Unfortunately I decided to pay the reduced PCN but if I found anything dodgy about this junction i would try and get my money back later although I feel this would be more difficult. The only fault I can assume is that there is no traffic enforcement sign within 40 metres of this box only a speed camera sign. There are strict rules surrounding signs and regulations. It really needs someone to stand up to the council if you have legal support but this is not always a cheap alternative and time is not on our side. Nobody else has given any information about this box. Sometimes I use that road but I am absolutely paranoid now, I hate it. Regards C Mills Hi Shobhit,
I also contacted penaltychargenotice.co.uk about this junction and at first they sounded positive but later on when i received the rejection i was told to look at the adjudicators decisions or anything about the rules under the road markings and signs regulations to see if I had a case. Unfortunately I decided to pay the reduced PCN but if I found anything dodgy about this junction i would try and get my money back later although I feel this would be more difficult. The only fault I can assume is that there is no traffic enforcement sign within 40 metres of this box only a speed camera sign. There are strict rules surrounding signs and regulations. It really needs someone to stand up to the council if you have legal support but this is not always a cheap alternative and time is not on our side. Nobody else has given any information about this box. Sometimes I use that road but I am absolutely paranoid now, I hate it.

Regards

C Mills

]]> By: Shobhit Narain http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1799 Shobhit Narain Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:32:37 +0000 http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1799 Hi Chris, Have you received any response to this one. Even I received 2 PCNs for this yellow box. Even I believe if this doesn't comply with the traffic signs regulations. Would appreciate if you could please share any information. Rgds, Shobhit Hi Chris,
Have you received any response to this one. Even I received 2 PCNs for this yellow box. Even I believe if this doesn’t comply with the traffic signs regulations.
Would appreciate if you could please share any information.
Rgds,
Shobhit

]]> By: Chris Mills http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1790 Chris Mills Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:49:15 +0000 http://moneyboxjunction.wordpress.com/the-letter-of-the-law/#comment-1790 Hi I received a PCN from Ealing council as I was caught stationary in the yellow box junction at Greenford Rd and Otter Rd Ealing. I have replied with my representation to Ealing council stating that the junction doesn't comply with 'The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002' as advised by a different website about PCN's. Ealing council rejected my representation on the grounds that 'the junction may look wrong but it complies with diagram. 1044 of the Regulations 2003. This is a new yellow box junction and I wonder if it is legal or not as I would have to pay the penalty in the next 10 days. Have I got a case? Hi I received a PCN from Ealing council as I was caught stationary in the yellow box junction at Greenford Rd and Otter Rd Ealing. I have replied with my representation to Ealing council stating that the junction doesn’t comply with ‘The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002′ as advised by a different website about PCN’s. Ealing council rejected my representation on the grounds that ‘the junction may look wrong but it complies with diagram. 1044 of the Regulations 2003. This is a new yellow box junction and I wonder if it is legal or not as I would have to pay the penalty in the next 10 days. Have I got a case?

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