Statutory Instrument 2002 No. 3113
The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002
Regulation 29
BUS STOP AND BUS STAND CLEARWAYS AND BOX JUNCTIONS
PART II
SIGNIFICANCE OF BOX JUNCTION MARKINGS
Interpretation of Part II of Schedule
6. In this Part of this Schedule -
(a) “box junction” means the area of carriageway marked with yellow cross-hatching at a junction between two or more roads on which there has been placed the road marking shown in diagram 1043 or 1044; and
(b) a reference (however expressed) to a vehicle which is stationary or stops within a box junction includes a vehicle which is stationary whilst part of it is within the box junction.
Prohibition conveyed by markings in diagram 1043 or 1044
7. – (1) Except when placed in the circumstances described in paragraph 8, the road markings shown in diagrams 1043 and 1044 shall each convey the prohibition that no person shall cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.
(2) The prohibition in sub-paragraph (1) does not apply to any person -
(a) who causes a vehicle to enter the box junction (other than a box junction at a roundabout) for the purpose of turning right; and
(b) stops it within the box junction for so long as it is prevented from completing the right turn by oncoming vehicles or other vehicles which are stationary whilst waiting to complete a right turn.
Prohibition conveyed when markings are placed in conjunction with signs in diagrams 615 and 811
8. When the road marking shown in diagram 1043 or 1044 is placed in conjunction with the signs shown in diagrams 615 and 811 on an area of carriageway which is less than 4.5 metres wide at its narrowest point, the road marking shall convey the prohibition that no person shall cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of oncoming vehicles or other stationary vehicles beyond the box junction.
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November 28, 2006 at 11:56 am |
Well Done!
April 30, 2008 at 9:36 pm |
Last year received and unfortunately paid fine for “stopping” in box at Junction Mare Street and Paragon Road, Hackney. I believe at the time I was crawling, albeit very slowly, my exit into the feeder to the bus lane was blocked by a series of cars overtaking on inside then down bus lane at speed. Once cars had passed manoeuvred into feeder to bus lane and out of box. Latter bit not shown on PCN but clear when I requested series of photos.
After seeing this site I realised that junction may not be legal as box does not go up to curb but stops short of double yellow lines the edge of box forming a third line. What do you think. I realise the fine may be a lost cause but would like to challenge the legality of the box anyway; may save others from highway robbery
May 4, 2008 at 2:45 pm |
Hi
If the front part of my car is off the box junction and the rear is still on it have I transgressed? is the pcn legal? I’m going to view the video on 8/5/08 what do I look for? Is the junction of the Broadway/Herbert Road in Southall legal?
Thanks. Ronnie
July 31, 2008 at 11:50 am |
am challenging the pcn on 2 counts -
1. box juncion is illegal, as doesn’t go right up to kerb & also stretches past the corners of the kerbs. (thanks for the link to the opsi.gov.uk diagrams).
2. my vehicle wasn’t stationary but was moving slowly. can’t find anything on your site to confirm that cameras can’t differentiate between 0 & 1 mph – do you have any more info on this, please?
thanks.
September 22, 2008 at 10:09 pm |
PCN issued after 69 days of alledged contravention – surely this is illegal?
Thanks
September 30, 2008 at 5:30 pm |
PCN for stopping in yellow box junction of at St James Street SW1& Piccadilly.
Five sided box where you have to turn right into Piccadilly successfully appealed on basis of requesting proof of Dept of Transport permision to operate non standard box Westminster council did not contest appeal but did not give reason why
Hope this helps other people in same situation
October 14, 2008 at 5:33 pm |
I was on my way up St James Boullivard in Newcastle when I wanted to turn right at the lights there was at a box juntion, they were on green to go streight on but I could not turn right for on coming traffic I was verbelly abused by a bus driver for not entering the box juntion who is right
Jane
April 2, 2009 at 7:25 pm |
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October 5, 2009 at 6:49 pm |
Hi I received a PCN from Ealing council as I was caught stationary in the yellow box junction at Greenford Rd and Otter Rd Ealing. I have replied with my representation to Ealing council stating that the junction doesn’t comply with ‘The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002′ as advised by a different website about PCN’s. Ealing council rejected my representation on the grounds that ‘the junction may look wrong but it complies with diagram. 1044 of the Regulations 2003. This is a new yellow box junction and I wonder if it is legal or not as I would have to pay the penalty in the next 10 days. Have I got a case?
October 28, 2009 at 2:32 pm |
Hi Chris,
Have you received any response to this one. Even I received 2 PCNs for this yellow box. Even I believe if this doesn’t comply with the traffic signs regulations.
Would appreciate if you could please share any information.
Rgds,
Shobhit
October 30, 2009 at 10:30 pm |
Hi Shobhit,
I also contacted penaltychargenotice.co.uk about this junction and at first they sounded positive but later on when i received the rejection i was told to look at the adjudicators decisions or anything about the rules under the road markings and signs regulations to see if I had a case. Unfortunately I decided to pay the reduced PCN but if I found anything dodgy about this junction i would try and get my money back later although I feel this would be more difficult. The only fault I can assume is that there is no traffic enforcement sign within 40 metres of this box only a speed camera sign. There are strict rules surrounding signs and regulations. It really needs someone to stand up to the council if you have legal support but this is not always a cheap alternative and time is not on our side. Nobody else has given any information about this box. Sometimes I use that road but I am absolutely paranoid now, I hate it.
Regards
C Mills
October 31, 2009 at 1:53 pm |
Thanks Chris..Will give them same reason. I have asked the council to show mw video evidence. Still waiting for them to come back. Will send a recorded reminder to cover myself incase they say that a post has been sent. Will update on this board of any developments.
November 18, 2009 at 10:55 pm |
Hi Chris, and Shobhit
I have also reveived a PCN on 3/9/09 greenford road/ otter road, now this PCN does not show my number plate as I stopped in emergency as the car infront of me stopped suddenly, and i was verly close to the car infront. now what they did is taken my number plate after i left the yellow box 15 seconds later from a different camera, I did appeal to view the cctv and they have given me date for 19/11/09. now i wanted to know if i have a case…i can send you the photos showing the time on two photos..i need to know if i have a case.
November 19, 2009 at 11:54 pm |
Hi Jiten,
I am no expert but it sounds to me like you might have a case in respect of the car that suddenly stopped in front of you. Have a look at the penaltychargenotice.co.uk website they have some senarios being caught in a yellow box junction and judge whether you have a case from their info.
Good Luck.